Poll: The Dress Code at Ballpark Village Is…
Officially, Ballpark Village (BPV) doesn’t have a dress code, but venues within BPV do. When announced last week it caused a uproar, and was revised to allow team jerseys even on non-game days. The poll this week wants to know your thoughts, here is the relevant information pulled from stlballparkvillage.com on Friday March 28, 2014:
Ballpark Village:
No backpacks, loitering; no weapons; no panhandling; no solicitation; no disorderly conduct; no bicycles or skateboards; no professional photography cameras.
7 days per week anyone under the age of 18 is allowed admittance into Ballpark Village but must be accompanied by a legal guardian. After 9pm all guests must be 21 years old or older to gain admittance into Ballpark Village and its venues.
Ballpark Village does not have a dress code; however, please note that individual venues within Ballpark Village including Fox Sports Midwest Live! may utilize a dress code. Visit the individual venues’ website pages to familiarize yourself with their dress code policies. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/faqs#sthash.l2DNcs06.dpuf
Budweiser Brew House:
The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: Main Level: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), athletic shorts, excessively sagging pants or shorts, and bandanas. Second Level: the above list of prohibited articles of clothing and, in addition: jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a Cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event) and hats. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the above dress code or the code of conduct. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a manager. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/dine/budweiser-brew-house#sthash.uFmvm3kE.dpuf
Cardinals Nation:
Cardinals Nation Guest Code of Conduct
The St. Louis Cardinals are committed to creating a safe, comfortable, and family friendly experience when fans visit Cardinals Nation. We expect fans who visit Cardinals Nation to observe the Ground Rules for Fans that we have in place at Busch Stadium. Our attire is baseball casual. No obscene or indecent clothing will be permited. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/dine/cardinals-nation#sthash.D9GAnKr1.dpuf
Fox Sports Live Midwest:
The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extendbelow the tip of your fingers), athletic shorts, excessively sagging pants or shorts, and bandanas. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the above dress code or the code of conduct. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a manager. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/dine/fox-sports-midwest-live-#sthash.JU1HQKVT.dpuf
PBR St. Louis:
The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts, excessively sagging pants or shorts, and bandanas. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the above dress code or the code of conduct. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a manager. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/drink/pbr-st-louis#sthash.iCXUdBPH.dpuf
The Barn at PBR:
The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), jerseys (sleeved jerseys are permitted in conjunction with a cardinals game or any other major St. Louis sporting event), athletic shorts, excessively sagging pants or shorts, and bandanas. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the above dress code or the code of conduct. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a manager. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/drink/the-barn-at-pbr#sthash.0DnS9ngX.dpuf
The Lounge:
The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), athletic shorts, excessively sagging pants or shorts, and bandanas. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the above dress code or the code of conduct. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a manager. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/drink/the-lounge#sthash.N37rQy16.dpuf
The Skybox:
The following is not permitted under our dress code after 9pm: sleeveless shirts on men, profanity on clothing, exposed undergarments on men, sweat pants, full sweat suits, excessively long shirts (when standing upright with arms at your side, the bottom of your shirt can not extend below the tip of your fingers), athletic shorts, excessively sagging pants or shorts, and bandanas. Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove any individual who does not comply with the above dress code or the code of conduct. For any questions or concerns, please ask to speak to a manager. – See more at: http://www.stlballparkvillage.com/dining/drink/the-skybox#sthash.CvrSZ0p0.dpuf
The following BPV venues do not list any dress code:
The poll is in the right sidebar, I’ve provided a wide range of answers but you’re able to add your own.
— Steve Patterson
Rather see a poll on predictions for how long before they break ground on Phase 2.
I think future development will happen when someone wants to build an office or residential tower. Something might come this year, or it might take years.
Uh, well, yeah.
In other words, Cordish & the Cardinals have built what they indented to build — an entertainment area across from and looking into Busch Stadium. Future phases won’t likely be initiated by them.
I think future phases will definitely be initiated by them. Dewitt got the property with the new stadium and DeWItt’s/Cardinals signed a development deal with Cordish for ALL of the property. Why? Because they stand to make a lot,more money if they initiate and build the development instead of selling off the parcels. Why do you think Centene and/or Stifel Nichols/Law Firm proposals fell through? Obviously they could not work out a deal with DeWitt/Cordish. Was there other factors, yes. But I suspect Centene and Stifel Nichols walked away in part because the leases offered were extremely beneficial to DeWitt/Cordish in an office market/region that goes very cheap and where most of the major companies own or have a development stake in there real estate.
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I think everybody has already forgotten that BPV has had two legitimate office towers/developments proposed by two expanding St. Louis companies. Fortunately, both are still in St. Louis region and both embraced an urban central business district rather that a greenfield suburban campus.
Since they control the land they’ll be involved and whatever is built next will be called “Phase 2” but what’s built now is the part that Cordish is known for.
I’d also like to see a poll on how long the entertainment venues stay “the” place to party downtown, especially on non-game days.
I wouldn’t be surprised if responses mirror the respondents’ ages / generational differences. There’s a fine balance between attracting large crowds willing to spend the money needed to pay for the investment and gaining a reputation as catering to only one segment of the population. It would also be interesting to see the same dress code applied to Busch Stadium!
To me the dress code screams, “Let’s keep out people whom 50+ year old white suburbanites find uncomfortable”
Also curious: “exposed undergarments on men” when certain waitresses have this as a uniform: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/03/27/fox-sports-midwest-jerseys-allowed/6970779/
It’s called: reverse sexism. Such is the downfall of the American society. To all you sensible women out there, please don’t stoop down to this level. You’re better than that.
It’s not reverse sexism, it’s regular racism. The point is to keep out the supposed “urban”/”gang” crowd, without specifying which race they are.
It seems to me that many restaurants in the city have dress codes, why would these establishments operate any differently (including male/female double standards). Baggy pants and long shirts hide guns and American’s love bringing their guns everywhere….so this seems like a valid security concern to me. The only issue I can see would be against sleeveless shirts. STL is hotter than the surface of the sun +4 months year, it would be nice to forgo the cufflinks after work.
The dress code at Ballpark village is a clear example of reverse sexism. If men are not allowed to show their undergarments, so shouldn’t women. I’m an expert in human rights law. This is a clear violation.
Absolutely agree! First off, as a man, I don’t wear anything that is described on the dress code. I don’t wear baggy pants, I don’t show my underwear in public. To put it simply, I dress pretty decently. When I go out, I even like to dress up. And no, I’m not gay. I’m a straight man who likes to dress well.
That being said, what about women? Why are men the only ones targeted here! So if a woman wants to come in with a bikini, should she be allowed? If so, this dress code is as sexist as you can get, or as you interestingly put it, an example of reverse sexism.
But go ahead girls… if you wanna be someone’s boy-toy for the rest of your lives, go ahead and wear all the provocative clothing you want. You’ll never find happiness and no one will take you seriously.
American women = SLUTS!
American men = SLUTS, too!
Kyle, AMEN! As a 26 year old professional woman I completely approve of what you’re saying. Thank you, and I hope that women can raise their standards again. In my own experience, I know that women who dress with a sense of class are always more successful and happy than women who feel they need to be provocative. It’s a shame that some girls think they have to expose their underwear to get boys to like them.. They’ll always always attract the wrong men. NEVER FAILS. It’s a shame that institutions like The Cardinals couldn’t step up to the plate and place the dress code on women as well. Reverse sexism it is.. Shame on the Cardinals.
Elena V.
Sort of like how nightclubs will offer free drinks for women but not men. Because the draw of the place is the sexually charged atmosphere, and most women won’t agree to sleep with a stranger unless drunk, but most men will.
It’s ridiculous to ban 21 year olds after 9pm. Why not 10.30 or 11? What if some harmless 20 year olds want to get a hamburger after a game?
America is stupid. No where in Europe would this law be in force. Moronic.
Ballpark Village is so 90s. Or 80s. It’s suburban chic in the heart of downtown! What a trip! What happens when the place is deal in mid November after a losing Cardinal season? Karaoke???
not “deal”…”dead”! What happens when the place is dead mid-week in mid-winter? They blame St. Louis for people not showing up to ride the mechanical bull???? Or, they forgor future phases???
My wife and I walked over this weekend to take a look at the place and it was absolutely packed. The demographics were as expected the same general population that attends baseball games and I don’t see how this place could not be a successes. I am not a baseball fan and could are less about the Cardinals, so I was somewhat dubious when I heard the plans for this complex, but it looks to me life the developers understand who their audience is and built accordingly. I think that the change is long overdue, making the area around the ball park more of a destination and how this could not be good for everyone I don’t know.
Exactly the point that everyone is missing. This is a money making project to cater to the same demographic that is INSIDE the ball park, stadium, auditoriums NOT the general public. This is a place of business, not a free place to “hang out”.
I’m actually curious about the “no professional photography cameras” rule. How will they even determine what qualifies, anyway? It seems like half the people at a ball game have some kind of enormous prosumer DSLR hanging off their shoulders. Are they not going to be allowed to bring them into BPV? Besides that, I’m not even sure I understand the reasoning behind such a rule.
Might have something to do with wedding parties.