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February 12, 2012 Popular Culture, Sunday Poll 24 Comments

“Where did you go to school?” is a very common question around here. Last week the Post-Dispatch had a couple of interesting stories on the topic:

ABOVE: My elementary school

It was while attending a party as newcomers to St. Louis that, for the first time, someone asked Kim Wolterman and her husband where they went to school.

Their answer, “Iowa State,” received blank stares and silence.

“He said, ‘No, I meant high school.’ And I’m thinking, ‘Why do you care where I went to high school?'” Wolterman said.

She didn’t know it then, but Wolterman was bumping into one of St. Louis’ most peculiar quirks — asking complete strangers to name their high school alma mater. (STLtoday.com)

I also used to answer with the college I attended, now I say “not here” or something like that.  The other article  “So, how did ‘the St. Louis question’ start?” has a few theories. What I want to know in the poll this week is 1) how you feel about the question and 2) did you go to high school here or not. The poll is located in the right sidebar.

For the record, I’m a 1985 graduate of Southeast High School in Oklahoma City (aerial). The northwest part of the city was, and is, considered the better part of town. My parents lived in NW OKC before I was born but my dad felt it was too snobbish so when they built a new house they did so in SW OKC  — just two blocks from the east-west dividing line (Santa Fe St. Ave.). My high school (and middle school) both bordered Santa Fe but on the east side, not west side.

– Steve Patterson

 

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  1. Kate says:

    Oh how I hate that stupid question. It seems to automatically presume that everyone is from St. Louis originally; it is the foundation of the “us v. them” mentality that is so pervasive in this city – it is completely dismissive of the notion that anyone might actually move here in adulthood, a way to automatically brand someone as an outsider. But even if I were from St. Louis originally (or were planning to stay here much longer), I’d still hate that question for its overt nosiness. Here in St. Louis – where so many parents send their kids to private, often religious religious high schools – the question indicates much more than curiosity about a person’s alma mater. It’s a not-so-subtle way of asking, “do you still live near your parents? Are your parents rich? Are you ‘old’ or ‘new’ money? How smart are you? What’s your religion?” To ask those questions outright of a new acquaintance would be highly insulting, but to veil it being a benign question about high school is apparently acceptable.

     
  2. Kate says:

    Oh how I hate that stupid question. It seems to automatically presume that everyone is from St. Louis originally; it is the foundation of the “us v. them” mentality that is so pervasive in this city – it is completely dismissive of the notion that anyone might actually move here in adulthood, a way to automatically brand someone as an outsider. But even if I were from St. Louis originally (or were planning to stay here much longer), I’d still hate that question for its overt nosiness. Here in St. Louis – where so many parents send their kids to private, often religious religious high schools – the question indicates much more than curiosity about a person’s alma mater. It’s a not-so-subtle way of asking, “do you still live near your parents? Are your parents rich? Are you ‘old’ or ‘new’ money? How smart are you? What’s your religion?” To ask those questions outright of a new acquaintance would be highly insulting, but to veil it being a benign question about high school is apparently acceptable.

     
    • Rwpointer says:

      If the question wasn’t useful, it wouldn’t continue to be asked. That is, most people in StL are from StL so the question has social currency. As for the general idea that it only reflects a private school ethos, that is not true. Again, it wouldn’t be so widely used if that was the case. The question is just as valid for someone who went to Soldan, Normandy, St. Mary’s, or MICDS. Any class or racial content is really more reflective of the highly segregated nature of St. Louis, not the question itself. 
      The problem often seems that people read into the question their own feelings. To wit, “But even if I were from St. Louis originally (or were planning to stay here much longer), I’d still hate that question for its overt nosiness.” It is nosy to you, but when it is posed to me, it is the questioner’s way to find out some information. What the questioner does with that information is often to see if we might know common people. Sometimes it is to categorize and judge. Hard to make a blanket judgment for each case. But more importantly, most St. Louisians are fiercely proud of their high schools. That is the case even if your school is considered by West County fat cats as below them. For those people, what high school you went to doesn’t matter – they haven’t already known you from before so you probably don’t matter anyway.

      So see, logically the question really isn’t meant to be offensive. 

       
      • RyleyinSTL says:

        Not having gone to HS here (or University in the USA) can be a small talk killer in St. Louis. I would disagree with the idea that most people in the Lou were born here.  I think that depends greatly on what company you keep.  We have been here 5 years and only a small proportion of our friends grew up locally.
        As Kate said there is no doubt that the HS question is designed to sum you up.  People ask it specifically so that they can better understand you within their local St. Louis context.  Did your parents have money?  Are you Catholic?  In a general way it does say something about your upbringing, whether that translates into anything relative to the person you are today is debatable.

        STL area does have a public school stigma that it would be better off without.  It’s so bad that there is almost the notion that if you send your kids to public school you don’t love them or something.  14K/year kindergarten!!!??  It baffles me!  Both my wife and I went to public school (in Canada) and are doing just fine.

           

         
  3. Anonymous says:

    i moved to st louis to teach in the city school system, so i would ask this question before i even knew it was the “st louis question”, because i was interested in learning more about how the city school district had changed over the years. if i meet an old time st louis person, i still ask the question because i like talking about the history of SLPS.

     
  4. aaronlevi says:

    i moved to st louis to teach in the city school system, so i would ask this question before i even knew it was the “st louis question”, because i was interested in learning more about how the city school district had changed over the years. if i meet an old time st louis person, i still ask the question because i like talking about the history of SLPS.

     
  5. David says:

    Cincinnati is also known for the High School question.  I was visiting Cincy on business years ago and speaking with a local who assumed I was also local.  He popped the “where did you go to school” question and I said “Trenton State, but they call it the College of New Jersey now”.  He grinned and said “Oh, I see” .  Later a colleague who was with me and was also local explained that he meant what HS I went to.   I was baffled by this, couldn’t imagine why anyone would care.  In the northeast such a question is assumed to be in reference to what college you went to.   Kate, in her comment, may be on to why the question is asked, although I would guess that if you’re from one of these regions and have been getting the question your whole adult life, it likely becomes an ice-breaker question for a lot of folks.

     
  6. David says:

    Cincinnati is also known for the High School question.  I was visiting Cincy on business years ago and speaking with a local who assumed I was also local.  He popped the “where did you go to school” question and I said “Trenton State, but they call it the College of New Jersey now”.  He grinned and said “Oh, I see” .  Later a colleague who was with me and was also local explained that he meant what HS I went to.   I was baffled by this, couldn’t imagine why anyone would care.  In the northeast such a question is assumed to be in reference to what college you went to.   Kate, in her comment, may be on to why the question is asked, although I would guess that if you’re from one of these regions and have been getting the question your whole adult life, it likely becomes an ice-breaker question for a lot of folks.

     
  7. Moe says:

    I’ve been asked that question lots of times.  And I’ve asked just as often.  It’s more of a conversation starter than a form of profiling.  But I could see how outsiders (non-St. Louisians) could see differently.  But nowadays, you are more likely to get “I didn’t go to high school”.

     
  8. Moe says:

    I’ve been asked that question lots of times.  And I’ve asked just as often.  It’s more of a conversation starter than a form of profiling.  But I could see how outsiders (non-St. Louisians) could see differently.  But nowadays, you are more likely to get “I didn’t go to high school”.

     
  9. Adam says:

    i’m a STL native and went to a private, catholic high school in the city (in the mid 90s). i never felt superior to public school kids or kids that went to cheaper schools. it just never crossed my mind. i do think living outside of STL for a while has raised my awareness with regard to assuming people are natives, and so i realize the odds are pretty high that the high school question isn’t applicable in a given situation. HOWEVER, i think people are blowing the issue WAY out of proportion. like David said, STL is not the only place where this occurs, and i’d be willing to bet it’s fairly common across the U.S. sure, the question may have arisen a few generations ago as a way to discriminate against the poor, various immigrant groups, various faiths etc. but i strongly doubt, these days and in most instances, that the question is anything more than an attempt to ascertain common acquaintances. in other words it’s an ice-breaker — one that becomes less and less relevant the older you get — but i think people are imbuing it with a perniciousness that just isn’t there. the fact is that STL is and has been a slow-growth region for quite some time so this type of thing is to be expected. and frankly i think it’s a little ridiculous when i hear transplants getting all worked up about it. just inform the person that you’re not “from here” and move on. eventually, when in-migration picks up and locals realize that the dynamic has changed, the question will fade away.

     
  10. Adam says:

    i’m a STL native and went to a private, catholic high school in the city (in the mid 90s). i never felt superior to public school kids or kids that went to cheaper schools. it just never crossed my mind. i do think living outside of STL for a while has raised my awareness with regard to assuming people are natives, and so i realize the odds are pretty high that the high school question isn’t applicable in a given situation. HOWEVER, i think people are blowing the issue WAY out of proportion. like David said, STL is not the only place where this occurs, and i’d be willing to bet it’s fairly common across the U.S. sure, the question may have arisen a few generations ago as a way to discriminate against the poor, various immigrant groups, various faiths etc. but i strongly doubt, these days and in most instances, that the question is anything more than an attempt to ascertain common acquaintances. in other words it’s an ice-breaker — one that becomes less and less relevant the older you get — but i think people are imbuing it with a perniciousness that just isn’t there. the fact is that STL is and has been a slow-growth region for quite some time so this type of thing is to be expected. and frankly i think it’s a little ridiculous when i hear transplants getting all worked up about it. just inform the person that you’re not “from here” and move on. eventually, when in-migration picks up and locals realize that the dynamic has changed, the question will fade away.

     
  11. Cluemarket says:

    As usual, much ado about nothing!  It’s like saying, “Nice day, huh?”  The response, “How DARE you assume that it’s a nice day for ME!  My dog died last night … and YOU think it’s a NICE DAY.  How parochial!  How uncaring!  How …. St. Louis like you are!  Boo Hoo

     
  12. Cluemarket says:

    As usual, much ado about nothing!  It’s like saying, “Nice day, huh?”  The response, “How DARE you assume that it’s a nice day for ME!  My dog died last night … and YOU think it’s a NICE DAY.  How parochial!  How uncaring!  How …. St. Louis like you are!  Boo Hoo

     
  13. Rwpointer says:

    If the question wasn’t useful, it wouldn’t continue to be asked. That is, most people in StL are from StL so the question has social currency. As for the general idea that it only reflects a private school ethos, that is not true. Again, it wouldn’t be so widely used if that was the case. The question is just as valid for someone who went to Soldan, Normandy, St. Mary’s, or MICDS. Any class or racial content is really more reflective of the highly segregated nature of St. Louis, not the question itself. 
    The problem often seems that people read into the question their own feelings. To wit, “But even if I were from St. Louis originally (or were planning to stay here much longer), I’d still hate that question for its overt nosiness.” It is nosy to you, but when it is posed to me, it is the questioner’s way to find out some information. What the questioner does with that information is often to see if we might know common people. Sometimes it is to categorize and judge. Hard to make a blanket judgment for each case. But more importantly, most St. Louisians are fiercely proud of their high schools. That is the case even if your school is considered by West County fat cats as below them. For those people, what high school you went to doesn’t matter – they haven’t already known you from before so you probably don’t matter anyway.

    So see, logically the question really isn’t meant to be offensive. 

     
  14. Liberty1st says:

    I now live in North Carolina.  The other day two marines were visiting here.  One I knew to be from Michigan and the other had a neutral accent which gave some indication but nothing firm like someone from Brooklyn.  Were did you come from, I asked to the younger guy about 30.  From all over.  So were your folks in the military, are you a military brat?  Yeah.  Mostly California.  Where did you go to high school?
    I asked that last quetion because the answer would reveal where he was when he was of that point in time when he graduated and moved into the next level and where he graduated from would indicate several things.  If he said Thomas More School for the Deaf it would say something.  San Jose Public Number Six would say something.
    To those of you who dont want to reveal that you grew up in Jennings or Ladue then get real.  If you say Saint Louis University and then they ask if you are a good Catholic then you can start taking offense.  My dad went to Soldan, Class of 1920.  That says a lot. 
    When you ask the question, ask it precisely:  Where did you go to high school?  It is innocuous enough.  We dont care if they went on to Harvard or Yale.  If they went to Affton in the seventies maybe they knew so and so. 

    The question works anywhere in the world.  I ask it in London, New Delhi, Hong Kong, Boston.  

     
  15. Liberty1st says:

    I now live in North Carolina.  The other day two marines were visiting here.  One I knew to be from Michigan and the other had a neutral accent which gave some indication but nothing firm like someone from Brooklyn.  Were did you come from, I asked to the younger guy about 30.  From all over.  So were your folks in the military, are you a military brat?  Yeah.  Mostly California.  Where did you go to high school?
    I asked that last quetion because the answer would reveal where he was when he was of that point in time when he graduated and moved into the next level and where he graduated from would indicate several things.  If he said Thomas More School for the Deaf it would say something.  San Jose Public Number Six would say something.
    To those of you who dont want to reveal that you grew up in Jennings or Ladue then get real.  If you say Saint Louis University and then they ask if you are a good Catholic then you can start taking offense.  My dad went to Soldan, Class of 1920.  That says a lot. 
    When you ask the question, ask it precisely:  Where did you go to high school?  It is innocuous enough.  We dont care if they went on to Harvard or Yale.  If they went to Affton in the seventies maybe they knew so and so. 

    The question works anywhere in the world.  I ask it in London, New Delhi, Hong Kong, Boston.  

     
  16. Diversity Dan says:

    An annoying question asked by dullards who have nothing more interesting to talk about

     
  17. Diversity Dan says:

    An annoying question asked by dullards who have nothing more interesting to talk about

     
  18. Anonymous says:

    I lived in Colorado for thirty years and the question never came up; the question there was more likely to be “Where did you grow up?” or “Where are you from?”  In fact, one of the iconic bumper stickers out there looks like Colorado license plate (green with mountains on the top) that simply states “NATIVE” (you don’t see a lot of them).

    I think Kate nailed many of the issues.  Given the stagnant local economy and the limited in-migration, I kinda get why this feels insular on several levels.  The real question is whether this is good or bad in the long run?  Competition can be a scary thing . . . .

     
  19. JZ71 says:

    I lived in Colorado for thirty years and the question never came up; the question there was more likely to be “Where did you grow up?” or “Where are you from?”  In fact, one of the iconic bumper stickers out there looks like Colorado license plate (green with mountains on the top) that simply states “NATIVE” (you don’t see a lot of them).

    I think Kate nailed many of the issues.  Given the stagnant local economy and the limited in-migration, I kinda get why this feels insular on several levels.  The real question is whether this is good or bad in the long run?  Competition can be a scary thing . . . .

     
  20. RyleyinSTL says:

    Not having gone to HS here (or University in the USA) can be a small talk killer in St. Louis. I would disagree with the idea that most people in the Lou were born here.  I think that depends greatly on what company you keep.  We have been here 5 years and only a small proportion of our friends grew up locally.
    As Kate said there is no doubt that the HS question is designed to sum you up.  People ask it specifically so that they can better understand you within their local St. Louis context.  Did your parents have money?  Are you Catholic?  In a general way it does say something about your upbringing, whether that translates into anything relative to the person you are today is debatable.

    STL area does have a public school stigma that it would be better off without.  It’s so bad that there is almost the notion that if you send your kids to public school you don’t love them or something.  14K/year kindergarten!!!??  It baffles me!  Both my wife and I went to public school (in Canada) and are doing just fine.

       

     
  21. Branwell1 says:

    The question of parish comes up frequently. Even without verifying that someone is in fact Catholic or religious at all, inquiring minds will often mutter, “Oh, so you were in St. Signeezius’s parish, that Father Dave is so nice!” or something along those lines. These tend to be older folk. 

     
  22. Branwell1 says:

    The question of parish comes up frequently. Even without verifying that someone is in fact Catholic or religious at all, inquiring minds will often mutter, “Oh, so you were in St. Signeezius’s parish, that Father Dave is so nice!” or something along those lines. These tend to be older folk. 

     

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